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10 | 10TH - 16TH APRIL 2015 | UTILITY WEEK Interview happening in the industry," Buckland tells Utility Week. "Complaints were rocketing and then we walked on to that stage and had to hold both regulators and companies to account on what was important for customers and what was delivered to them." "In 2007, shortly aer we were cre- ated, complaints were 275,000 a year. By 2012/13 – the last year we've reported on – they'd gone down by about half," she says, almost surprising herself with the figures she knows so well. "It's remarkable." This progress has been made by working with the companies, rather than, as Buckland puts it "shouting at them from outside". She says CCWater was never about gaining cheap headlines – pointedly adding "unlike some other consumer groups". "We used influence and tried to use best practice, comparisons between companies, and getting the lead- ers to work with us so others would follow." The next chapter for CCWater could be having to deal with growing political interference in the sector. Labour has promised to introduce a national social tariff, plus more new regulation. "New ministers come in from whatever party and they tend to bring a new agenda for a new government. I suspect the new government will continue to have to look very carefully at keeping that sense of legitimacy around the water industry. Things like affordability will be an issue for any government, whatever its political complexion." As for social policies and tariffs, 14 of the 18 com- panies now offer them, an increase from six before the latest price review. But the way that levies on bills effec- tively subsidise those unable to pay is not something that sits too comfortably with the majority of customers. Or Buckland. She prefers a tax and benefits system to help those in need. "Customers don't like cross-subsidies, or that companies are managing the cross-subsidies." A prime example of this is the £50 giveback for customers of South West Water. Buckland says this "opens the door" to further tax and benefit solutions being introduced across the sector. "Affordability is still an issue," she says. "It is still important because a quarter of households are strug- gling to pay their bills despite the fact prices have been kept low." Failing to help them pay their bills could prompt a legitimacy crisis – like that seen in 2006 in water, and currently being experienced in energy. The bruising experience for the water companies during the PR14 process has been seen as a victory for consumers, with bills falling in real terms over the next five years. Buckland adds the role and involvement of the customer challenge groups (CCGs) proved vital in achiev- ing this result. "In the last price review in 2009, we launched and got going the quadripartite between the key stakeholders, the statutory stakeholders the regulators and ourselves. That has been built on in this price review with customer lobby groups and other stakeholders adding to it. "We now have customers sitting alongside the indus- try making decisions about what gets delivered to them." Utility Week asks whether seeing those plans become reality is the big challenge facing her successor, Alan Lovell. Buckland says he has to make sure that it goes beyond just ensuring the plans get delivered. The incen- tive mechanisms Ofwat introduced in PR14 mean that, alongside the risk of financial punishment for under- performance, the water companies also have the opportunity to gain for overperformance. It is a good incentive and one that consumers, due to the role of the CCGs, have signed up to and support. But while that is the case now, Buckland warns that it may not always be so. "Consumers have short memories," she says, pass- ing on a warning to Lovell. "It could be problematic to try and explain that to customers in four years' time if they feel their bills are high and if they are then being told they have to pay more for customer outperformance. "It will be important to maintain legitimacy around the price review in terms of what customers are getting." Buckland also says Lovell will have to ensure the next price review represents a good deal for customers in terms of costs and service while ensuring that the com- panies can afford to deliver what they are promising. The key task for the new man will be to safeguard all the good work of the past decade and not to undo that dramatic slashing of complaints – down to 123,218 in 2013/14. This is particularly important as the sector steels itself for more scrutiny when the market opens in 2017. This impending change to the market represents a "natural break" for Buckland, and the ideal opportunity to step down. As for her next move, she laughs at the suggestion of trying to repeat the success CCWater has had in the water sector in the energy sector. "That's quite a big challenge! At the moment I just want to pause. "I do want a little bit of a gap. But knowing me, I sus- pect I'm still going to be active in consumer representa- tion and I shall find it hard to leave water alone." When Buckland gets that opportunity to pause – however long it proves to be – what will be her standout memories be from her eventful time in office? "My happiest memory was when we had the Gray report [into Ofwat and consumer representation in 2011]. He reviewed Ofwat and ourselves and I don't think he really 'bought' customer bodies. "It was great when he came out of that review saying we do a good job and he wouldn't want to change it. That was a personal high. I remember running around the office hysterically happy that day. "The other magic days have oen been out on the patch talking to companies, talking to customers, look- ing down drains. I actually went under London with Thames Water very early on to look at all the sewer. That is still a very vivid, vivid memory of walking though those tunnels." The day-to-day representation of customers is some- thing Buckland obviously enjoys. Talking about boring people at dinner parties and giving cabbies advice on how to complain makes her smile to herself. "I really like that. That's the sort of stuff that's been a highlight and I really will miss." Even though she will no longer represent water cus- tomers, Buckland intends to remain "a spectator from the sidelines" and an advocate for the UK water sector. "I very much encourage people to get the value out of what they are paying for their water by drinking tap water – which is so cheap and of such good quality. "If I'm ever seen drinking bottled water, I hope you put me on the front page of Utility Week in a cartoon." We'll be watching. "The new government will continue to have to look very carefully at keeping that sense of legitimacy around the water industry."